Comments on: The Greenies Problem http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/ Virtual Worlds and Virtual Thoughts Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:38:14 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: NO ENTRY NO ENTRY NO ENTRY NO ENTRY « Through my eyes.. http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-249 NO ENTRY NO ENTRY NO ENTRY NO ENTRY « Through my eyes.. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:42:56 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-249 [...] of days, but the discussion seems to have sparked up, again. Stuart Warf talked about it on his blog today, and Chugabug Goodnight added her own thoughts on episode 36 of SL Under The [...] [...] of days, but the discussion seems to have sparked up, again. Stuart Warf talked about it on his blog today, and Chugabug Goodnight added her own thoughts on episode 36 of SL Under The [...]

]]> By: Keeme http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-246 Keeme Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:39:11 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-246 Well here is my response to it "HELL NO I WON'T GO" Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Greenies Well here is my response to it

“HELL NO I WON’T GO”

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Greenies

]]> By: radar http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-245 radar Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:24:19 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-245 that's actually not a bad idea, Dedric. my only problem with the "pay4sim" idea is if everyone does it. then SL goes from open, accessible exploration platform to amusement park. and the noobs get shafted, or even people who say "screw it, i'm not spending thousands of lindens a month to explore anymore." there's a lot of nice sims and builds out there, and people find a way to pay the bills somehow. i honestly think what happened with rezzable is they came, made some fancy demos, but then no one paid them to build sims for them. so now they're resorting to this. sorry it didn't work out, but.. have a nice life. that’s actually not a bad idea, Dedric.

my only problem with the “pay4sim” idea is if everyone does it. then SL goes from open, accessible exploration platform to amusement park. and the noobs get shafted, or even people who say “screw it, i’m not spending thousands of lindens a month to explore anymore.”

there’s a lot of nice sims and builds out there, and people find a way to pay the bills somehow. i honestly think what happened with rezzable is they came, made some fancy demos, but then no one paid them to build sims for them. so now they’re resorting to this. sorry it didn’t work out, but.. have a nice life.

]]> By: Arminasx Saiman http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-244 Arminasx Saiman Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:13:11 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-244 I think it is a very interesting experiment. Will it succeed? Who knows? Will people like it? Time will tell. Let's face it, this is a brand new world and somebody has to figure out how things can work, and this is but one step to do so. Let's go and look six months from now and see what happened - if it works, it will still be there. I think it is a very interesting experiment. Will it succeed? Who knows? Will people like it? Time will tell. Let’s face it, this is a brand new world and somebody has to figure out how things can work, and this is but one step to do so. Let’s go and look six months from now and see what happened – if it works, it will still be there.

]]> By: Dedric Mauriac http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-243 Dedric Mauriac Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:46:36 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-243 (noobs) (noobs)

]]> By: Dedric Mauriac http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-242 Dedric Mauriac Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:46:21 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-242 If you are going to charge, I prefer the model where you can get in free if you wait 10-30 minutes outside, or choose to pay to get in instantly. Kinda like VIP access to the cool clubs ... This way you build traffic, but don't lock out the noos. If you are going to charge, I prefer the model where you can get in free if you wait 10-30 minutes outside, or choose to pay to get in instantly. Kinda like VIP access to the cool clubs … This way you build traffic, but don’t lock out the noos.

]]> By: radar http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-241 radar Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:45:16 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-241 I have to disagree with Harper. Of course rezzable is for profit. They either need to get paying clients, or find another line of work. That simple. Providing hosting for someone's products/location is what you are talking about with flickr. Rezzable is providing hosting for their OWN, then charging US for it. NOT the same. Your local grocer is a for-profit business too, but they charge you for what you buy, not for walking in the door. Either rezzable learns to find some paying clients and/or sell better crap then they do on their sims so people will buy, or they should grok there's no business model for them. I have to disagree with Harper. Of course rezzable is for profit. They either need to get paying clients, or find another line of work. That simple.

Providing hosting for someone’s products/location is what you are talking about with flickr. Rezzable is providing hosting for their OWN, then charging US for it. NOT the same.

Your local grocer is a for-profit business too, but they charge you for what you buy, not for walking in the door. Either rezzable learns to find some paying clients and/or sell better crap then they do on their sims so people will buy, or they should grok there’s no business model for them.

]]> By: Stuart Warf http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-240 Stuart Warf Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:25:21 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-240 Harper, I totally understand where you are coming from. My argument however is simple. If the venue is compelling enough and offers a tip jar or a simple little thing called a shop then it will make money. I am a huge fan of donation based software. If something is good enough, I am going to donate. That rule also applies to Second Life. I am in the midst of doing a follow up blog post about Donations in SL later. Harper, I totally understand where you are coming from. My argument however is simple. If the venue is compelling enough and offers a tip jar or a simple little thing called a shop then it will make money.

I am a huge fan of donation based software. If something is good enough, I am going to donate. That rule also applies to Second Life. I am in the midst of doing a follow up blog post about Donations in SL later.

]]> By: Harper Beresford http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-239 Harper Beresford Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:07:57 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-239 Well, this is a step towards the bigger direction of the grid. Someone's gotta pay for content and serving up that content eventually. Either we do it through shoving ads in front of newbies' faces or we all get charged 99L (which is what? 40 US cents). Rezzable (and Linden Labs, for that matter) is a for-profit company. They have to insure the survival of their business so they can provide MORE content and pay the electric bill to keep the server running. Do I like paying? Well who does? I want all my fun for free too! Are the Greenies compelling enough for me to pay 40 cents? Well, I have to decide as a consumer--and it's not like I *have* to pay--there are enough photos on Flickr to show me what there is to see. But should I expect them to continue to provide free content to me when they have to eat too? Nope. Get used to it, folks. This is what companies have to do to continue to keep serving it up to us. Well, this is a step towards the bigger direction of the grid. Someone’s gotta pay for content and serving up that content eventually. Either we do it through shoving ads in front of newbies’ faces or we all get charged 99L (which is what? 40 US cents). Rezzable (and Linden Labs, for that matter) is a for-profit company. They have to insure the survival of their business so they can provide MORE content and pay the electric bill to keep the server running.

Do I like paying? Well who does? I want all my fun for free too! Are the Greenies compelling enough for me to pay 40 cents? Well, I have to decide as a consumer–and it’s not like I *have* to pay–there are enough photos on Flickr to show me what there is to see. But should I expect them to continue to provide free content to me when they have to eat too? Nope.

Get used to it, folks. This is what companies have to do to continue to keep serving it up to us.

]]> By: Nika Dreamscape http://stuartwarf.com/2008/08/the-greenies-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-237 Nika Dreamscape Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:03:19 +0000 http://stuartwarf.com/?p=315#comment-237 I agree with you, Stuart. The Rezzables charging admission doesn't affect me directly too much. But my bigger concern is that more and more sim owners will try to follow in their footsteps. I agree with you, Stuart. The Rezzables charging admission doesn’t affect me directly too much. But my bigger concern is that more and more sim owners will try to follow in their footsteps.

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